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| | 02/04/09 at 08:01 AM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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Welcome Aboard. How did you find us?
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snw41
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| | 02/04/09 at 06:04 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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| I was reading Sixguns last night, I've had it for 15 years or so, and was looking for info. on heavy 45 auto rim loads. I'm thinking about getting a new 45 revolver for work carry, currently carrying the plastic stuff, but our policy just changed so I thought it might turn a few heads packin a wheel gun again. The 45 ACP ammo is free at work and I was looking to see what the Auto Rim is capable of for off-duty carry. That led me to google Elmer Keith and I found the thread to this sight. I looked around the site and thought it was good stuff and wanted to know more info. and joined up. The 41 mag. is my favorite cartridge-hence the SNW41 moniker, which is not for the model 41! I'm sure most Smith Nuts can figure it out, but you never know. I might be back east in June so I will have to see if I can make the shoot. Would love to give it a go. Done some long range stuff, but would love to do with others with the same interest. |
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| | 02/04/09 at 06:48 PM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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Nice bull, did you take it with the .41?
Hope to see you at the shoot.
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snw41
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| | 02/04/09 at 10:36 PM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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No, did it with a 338. I pack a 4" 44 most of the time, but this bull was 350 yards
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| | 02/05/09 at 10:55 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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.338's a good round, Although lately I've been questioning its "One Shot" capability. Elk in photo above took 2 SST's at 400 yards and one more at 100 before it would go down. fortunatly it was running towards the farm. Another one I shot took 3 on a dead run at 75 yards and it still went 300-400 yards. Tough anamals. Shot one this season, about 150 yards, good shot, right below the shoulder dumped it hard. a few seconds later, it stood up and dumped again. Gave it a few mins, went over, blood everywhere, no elk. Tracked blood through hellish terrain for 5 hours, finally no more blood, no elk. Only elk I saw this season (that wasn't hanging) I think I'm upgrading to a .458 X 400+gr bullet in either a modern 45-70 or a 458 mag. If I only get one shot in a season I need a little more help.
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snw41
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| | 02/05/09 at 09:28 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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Have not had that problem with a 338. I shot my first elk at 12 with a 25-06. Worked fine, but wanted to move up to what the big boys at the time were shooting and got a 270. Shot the 270 for years on Deer, Elk and Bear. I never had a problem tipping over cows and spikes with the 270, but admittedly I never shot a big bull with it. When I drew my first coveted Blue Mt. Big Bull tag decided to use a big gun and shot a 7mm mag. I tipped over a 6 point with one shot from the 7mm and the 150 grain partition through the shoulder with full penetration to the hide on the far side. After seeing how big a mature bull was on the ground I decided that if I did it again I would do it with a 338. That brought me to the bull in the picture and choose the 338 because of all the time you wait and effort into getting that tag I wanted to make sure that I could take any shot presented. A 270/7mm will tip over elk all day with the right broadside shot, but it everything is not perfect I did not feel I would have the confidence to take a shot. So when this bull presented himself he was perfectly broadside and had just come out of the timber right before dark. I was still glad for the 338 because when I shot him he did not turn and run back in the timber, which was a very steep and deep hole that I would have had a hell of a time following him in the dark alone. So by having the 338 I intentionally took out both shoulders with my shot and he went right down. I know for a fact I could have killed him with a 25-06/270/7mm all day, but he would have turned and ran back in that timber and I would have had a hell of a night. I got back to camp at 4:30 in the morning as it was with killing him out in the open where I did not have to spend anytime locating him. It's a bit**ch to work over one of those big guys alone, a mile from the road and 2000 feet down in a hole. I didn't gut, I skinned down the middle of the back and quartered from there and then caped and sawed horns for the pack out on my back. Two days of follow-up trips to pack out the meat all on my back made for one hell of a well earned bull and he scores just a few points under 350. With the 338 I was shooting 225 interbonds and I recovered the slug and it weighed 186 after smashing both shoulders. I'm sold on this bullet as it was devastating. I took photos of the shoulder turned inside out with the massive hole in it for reference. Let me know if you want me to email them. My buddy shoots the 210 partitions in the 338 and he has knocked over about 5-6 big bulls with it and he has no complaints and puts them down. He went to the 338 after putting three 7mm's through a big bull with no sign of being hit until out of the blue the bull tipped over. Needless to say I am a firm believer in good tough bonded or partition bullets for the big bulls. Didn't mean to be too long winded here but I love talking about these things, especially in the middle of winter when not much is going on and I can reminisce a little. Still love the 270 for everything else, have a sweet custom wood stocked pre-64 I love, and pack it the most. I know Elmer made a comment about a 270 being a good Coyote gun, but with good bullets we have today even he would have to really take a long second thought about that statement. I'm also a big O'Connor fan and even he thought the 338 was great and owned one, but he did not think the average Joe was well suited with one because you have to be a Man to master it, and even O'Connor himself admitted that he had a tender shoulder!
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snw41
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| | 02/05/09 at 09:32 PM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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I think I figured out how to post photo of Bull with shoulder pulled back showing wound channel. We'll see what happens.
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SafarisAfrica
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| | 02/06/09 at 05:25 AM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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With the right bullet the 338 should be enough gun. I have a 338 wildcat 250 grain Nosler Partitions @ 3000fps. The velocity makes it a very good long range caliber.
If you are going to a heavier caliber I would suggest a 416 Remington or Rigby you will get a 40 caliber hole with more velocity to reach out to 300 yards. But all of these large 40 plus calibers are going to drop like a rock at long ranges.
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albroswift
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I'm thinking might be the bullet, (couldn't be me...) the Hornaday SST is a ballistic tip boattail, very good ballistics but if it doesn't do its job on the other end...
I use them in my 308 and the're devestating on deer. maybe not heavy enough construction for elk. Going back to Noslers this next reloading.
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| | 02/06/09 at 02:43 PM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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I would use partitions their ballistic tips are not constructed well enough for large antelope elk etc. Barnes triple shock has a good reputation but will probably foul the barrel quicker than Noslers.
There are a lot of variables velocity at impact can make one bullet out of the same gun better at 100 yards and not so good at 500 yards. I try to ere on the side of a well constructed bullet rather than one that may blow apart or expand prematurely. But there are some special purpose soft points that are too tough for elk size game.
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snw41
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| | 02/06/09 at 08:28 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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If that Hornady bullet is real accurate I would suggest the Hornady 225 Interbond, which is what this bull was killed with. I think I mentioned that I recovered the bullet in the hide on the far side after going through both shoulder and it held together nicely and weighed 186 grains. I get that bullet going 3007 FPS over the chrono in my gun. I know that's smokin' for a standard 338, but it's a pre-64 with the 25 inch factory barrel, which obviously helps. This is truly a long range capable load if you run the ballistics on it. I shot it to 600 yards and there was no doubt I would be able to smoke an elk at that range. I know it would hold up to about 800 yards in energy, but have not checked the drop yet. I know the Swift Sciroco is good as is the Nosler Accubond. I shoot the Nosler Accubond in the 270 with 140 grain bullets and they sail right through whatever I shoot with it. I load the 110 grain Nosler Accubond in a 257 Roberts +P load for my daughters gun and she has killed four deer and a Bear with this caliber and it works great and it kills very well. It helps that she is a great shot with this gun, low recoil really makes a differerce and she is deadly with it. Shot a Bear at 260 Yards this year right of the shootin' stick sitting on her but. Come to think of it all of her kills have been off the shootin' sticks and none of them have been under 200 yards, with her farthest to date a 280 yard kill with one shot. I usually try to get her at that range as I know it is dead if it's under 300. No problems with bullet failure yet. I actually used this little 257 to kill an antelope and deer in Wyoming last year just because it is such a cool gun and nice to shoot!
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| | 02/07/09 at 10:54 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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What are you loading behind the .338 bullet? Sounds like 340 Weatherby (+P)velocity. Im using 69.5 H4350 ( I may have posted some where H4831, not correct) Not sure how much hotter I could go in my BAR. (I'm really trying to justify a new gun here.)
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| | 02/10/09 at 11:03 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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| Sorry it took me a few days, I was tiling a bathroom floor all weekend. I looked at my load and i'm at 77.5 grains of Reloader 19 with the 225 Interbond. I got the load out of the Speer #12 manual, not too old, and the max listed in there is 78 grains Re 19. I gauge my maximum loads more off of velocity than what book lists. Once I hit 3000 with it I stopped knowing this is smokin for a starndard 338. The Speer book listed in the high 2900 fps for this load as max with a boattail configuration and that's what the Interbond is. |
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| | 02/12/09 at 06:54 AM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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I didn't see a load for RL19 in my McPherson manual, but it is in the Hodgdon book, max load 75.3 gr producing 2865 fps at 52100 pressure (for comparison, McPhersons max load H4350 72 gr 2794 fps 50500 pressure, Hodgedon book H4530 max load 69.5 /2785/ 51700, what I have been loading).
What pressure does the speer book list at max load? Need to find out how much a pressure BAR can take safely.
Thanks for the info.
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