Thank you all for your help. What will happen is..... I'll start shopping for deals get frustrated.Spend way too much on a complete set up, tell my wife it was all on sale, get obsessed with production and see how many I can cast and load by spring. Then the obsession with accuracy will rear its ugly head. And then by next year I'll be selling stuff to buy a foundry. Looks like I drifted a bit. Thanks again to all...Don