Thankyou, I'll look him up. But how did you know it was a (kind of) bigbore? It's a 460 Guns and Ammo cartridge. Anyone have any Dies for this thing?  Or the .404 Jeffery brass? Were in a recesion and I'm a taxidermist, but somehow we always find a way to pay cash for what we want and finance what we need. It must be the american way. Has anyone shown up to the shoot and, shot a commemorative Keith S&W? I'm tempted.......Thanks for the help this is a great site, wish I found it much sooner.  Don